I went to Catholic school in the 1980s and the nuns were fairly progressive. I was taught that it’s likely in my lifetime that the American Catholic Church will break off from Rome because we are generally more progressive. When I say progressive, liberal, and conservative these are all in the context of the Catholic Church.
This is absolutely a turning point in the Catholic Church and I do think eventually we’re going to see schism part two, part three, I don’t know.
However, in the past years, conservative Catholics have grown in number, “Tradcats” or “Tradcaths.” They’re following the same pattern as Mormon, traditional wives and evangelical traditional wives.
The video makes a lot of good points, except leaves out that the church is growing in the southern hemisphere and shrinking in the northern hemisphere and their best guess is Pizzaballa with Zuppi being a compromise candidate.
As a former Catholic, I’m fascinated by papal conclaves
Historically, the Catholic Church swings back-and-forth and it’s likely that the next pope is going to be a conservative administrator because Francis was a liberal pastoral pope. He cared more about people than dogma and bureaucracy.
I did not come up with any of this except that it’s generally been acknowledged by people who watch this kind of thing for the past few years.
Oh my goodness! We will know very soon because as of seven minutes ago, the New York Times says white smoke has come out of the Sistine chapel, and there is a new pope
A week or so ago, I wrote a brief note outlining Erdo's chart because it was my understanding at the time that he was the favorite. Although he is very conservative, the short, untimed dive into his chart suggested that his power was about to be "exposed," but, because I haven't looked into the charts of all the cardinals, I can't say who the next pope will be. This research was done through gathering second hand information.
Pizzaballa came to my attention after I posted, and he does seem to fit the bill regarding a "middle of the road" pick. However, I think the Church is at a moment when it may want to establish itself more definitively, too.
Zuppi would be the choice for a fatherly figurehead, which seems to be what many journalists suggest, along with Pizzaballa (whose name makes him an automatic winner in my book). However, I still feel like Erdo could surprise everyone.
What may be happening behind closed doors is a discussion about morals and values. Do we return to Vatican I, or do we try to appeal more to the flock to rebuild trust and bring more converts in? How do we convince the converts that their ecclesiastical understandings are different from those of this Church, etc.?
In that sense, Erdo could be a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's very conservative, having been created by John Paul II, but on the surface, he appears to be much more passive than aggressive. I heard talking heads describing him as "being approached rather than approaching others," and, in my secular and outsider view, that's the opposite of what the Church needs right now.
If they want to stay relevant, they'll have to find a way to get in the now and tell the evangelical converts that they can stick around, but they don't get to dictate to the Church.
I went to Catholic school in the 1980s and the nuns were fairly progressive. I was taught that it’s likely in my lifetime that the American Catholic Church will break off from Rome because we are generally more progressive. When I say progressive, liberal, and conservative these are all in the context of the Catholic Church.
This is absolutely a turning point in the Catholic Church and I do think eventually we’re going to see schism part two, part three, I don’t know.
However, in the past years, conservative Catholics have grown in number, “Tradcats” or “Tradcaths.” They’re following the same pattern as Mormon, traditional wives and evangelical traditional wives.
The video makes a lot of good points, except leaves out that the church is growing in the southern hemisphere and shrinking in the northern hemisphere and their best guess is Pizzaballa with Zuppi being a compromise candidate.
As a former Catholic, I’m fascinated by papal conclaves
Historically, the Catholic Church swings back-and-forth and it’s likely that the next pope is going to be a conservative administrator because Francis was a liberal pastoral pope. He cared more about people than dogma and bureaucracy.
I did not come up with any of this except that it’s generally been acknowledged by people who watch this kind of thing for the past few years.
https://youtu.be/QlwmXDK3NX8?si=76o3eXRDXAIF2Z_c
Oh my goodness! We will know very soon because as of seven minutes ago, the New York Times says white smoke has come out of the Sistine chapel, and there is a new pope
I’ve been watching live streams! I’m looking forward to seeing who walks out on the balcony.
A week or so ago, I wrote a brief note outlining Erdo's chart because it was my understanding at the time that he was the favorite. Although he is very conservative, the short, untimed dive into his chart suggested that his power was about to be "exposed," but, because I haven't looked into the charts of all the cardinals, I can't say who the next pope will be. This research was done through gathering second hand information.
Pizzaballa came to my attention after I posted, and he does seem to fit the bill regarding a "middle of the road" pick. However, I think the Church is at a moment when it may want to establish itself more definitively, too.
Zuppi would be the choice for a fatherly figurehead, which seems to be what many journalists suggest, along with Pizzaballa (whose name makes him an automatic winner in my book). However, I still feel like Erdo could surprise everyone.
What may be happening behind closed doors is a discussion about morals and values. Do we return to Vatican I, or do we try to appeal more to the flock to rebuild trust and bring more converts in? How do we convince the converts that their ecclesiastical understandings are different from those of this Church, etc.?
In that sense, Erdo could be a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's very conservative, having been created by John Paul II, but on the surface, he appears to be much more passive than aggressive. I heard talking heads describing him as "being approached rather than approaching others," and, in my secular and outsider view, that's the opposite of what the Church needs right now.
If they want to stay relevant, they'll have to find a way to get in the now and tell the evangelical converts that they can stick around, but they don't get to dictate to the Church.